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	<title>Comments on: Are podcasts inferior to text?</title>
	<link>http://ken-carroll.com/2008/04/08/are-podcasts-inferior-to-text/</link>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ken Carroll</title>
		<link>http://ken-carroll.com/2008/04/08/are-podcasts-inferior-to-text/#comment-830</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Carroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ken-carroll.com/2008/04/08/are-podcasts-inferior-to-text/#comment-830</guid>
		<description>Lisa,

I'd be delighted to work together on an article. Just let me know when and how.

Ken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be delighted to work together on an article. Just let me know when and how.</p>
<p>Ken</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Neal</title>
		<link>http://ken-carroll.com/2008/04/08/are-podcasts-inferior-to-text/#comment-824</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ken-carroll.com/2008/04/08/are-podcasts-inferior-to-text/#comment-824</guid>
		<description>What a fantastic post and discussion, Ken. As someone with an academic background, I used to research everything I wrote. Blogging, which I am new to, is totally variable. I see blog posts where people do nothing more than post links with barely a comment on it and ones that are thoughtful and could easily be magazine articles.

The post that you commented on was one of my quicker ones and I agree with many of the insights here from you and your readers. My motivation in writing it was a negative reaction to what some students envisioned for the future of learning that was primarily podcast-based. (They went on to articulate a much more creative and innovative solution!)

Let's write an article together for eLearn Magazine that delves into this topic and provides a balanced view of what the issues are! Interested?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a fantastic post and discussion, Ken. As someone with an academic background, I used to research everything I wrote. Blogging, which I am new to, is totally variable. I see blog posts where people do nothing more than post links with barely a comment on it and ones that are thoughtful and could easily be magazine articles.</p>
<p>The post that you commented on was one of my quicker ones and I agree with many of the insights here from you and your readers. My motivation in writing it was a negative reaction to what some students envisioned for the future of learning that was primarily podcast-based. (They went on to articulate a much more creative and innovative solution!)</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s write an article together for eLearn Magazine that delves into this topic and provides a balanced view of what the issues are! Interested?</p>
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		<title>By: 麻辣鸡</title>
		<link>http://ken-carroll.com/2008/04/08/are-podcasts-inferior-to-text/#comment-804</link>
		<dc:creator>麻辣鸡</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 05:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ken-carroll.com/2008/04/08/are-podcasts-inferior-to-text/#comment-804</guid>
		<description>Are podcasts inferior to text?

Podcasts are listening material and text is reading material?

Please correct me if I'm wrong but is that not the same as asking "Is listening inferior to reading?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are podcasts inferior to text?</p>
<p>Podcasts are listening material and text is reading material?</p>
<p>Please correct me if I&#8217;m wrong but is that not the same as asking &#8220;Is listening inferior to reading?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Gert</title>
		<link>http://ken-carroll.com/2008/04/08/are-podcasts-inferior-to-text/#comment-799</link>
		<dc:creator>Gert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ken-carroll.com/2008/04/08/are-podcasts-inferior-to-text/#comment-799</guid>
		<description>Podcasts are great, especially those from CP. You learn spoken language, patterns. But what about grammar, characters? Qing Wen is nice, but (as a German native speaker) sometimes I have trouble to follow the English banter etc. (Amber speaks quite fast). For grammar, characters, books or person-to-person courses are a good add-on to CP. 
For me books AND CP are the best solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Podcasts are great, especially those from CP. You learn spoken language, patterns. But what about grammar, characters? Qing Wen is nice, but (as a German native speaker) sometimes I have trouble to follow the English banter etc. (Amber speaks quite fast). For grammar, characters, books or person-to-person courses are a good add-on to CP.<br />
For me books AND CP are the best solution.</p>
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		<title>By: 麻辣鸡</title>
		<link>http://ken-carroll.com/2008/04/08/are-podcasts-inferior-to-text/#comment-788</link>
		<dc:creator>麻辣鸡</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ken-carroll.com/2008/04/08/are-podcasts-inferior-to-text/#comment-788</guid>
		<description>Are we not all missing the point?

Some people like reading books to learn. Some people like to learn in other ways. In my humble opinion, the podcasts are wonderful. Of course they may suit some particular subject matters more than others. So what?

At the end of the day, i think what matters most is that the end-user has the free right to learn whatever tickles their fancy and also has the free right to learn using whatever method tickles their fancy.

I think podcasts are here to stay for quite a while and e-learning is only in its infancy. Let it learn to walk before we start to push it over!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are we not all missing the point?</p>
<p>Some people like reading books to learn. Some people like to learn in other ways. In my humble opinion, the podcasts are wonderful. Of course they may suit some particular subject matters more than others. So what?</p>
<p>At the end of the day, i think what matters most is that the end-user has the free right to learn whatever tickles their fancy and also has the free right to learn using whatever method tickles their fancy.</p>
<p>I think podcasts are here to stay for quite a while and e-learning is only in its infancy. Let it learn to walk before we start to push it over!!</p>
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		<title>By: linreigu</title>
		<link>http://ken-carroll.com/2008/04/08/are-podcasts-inferior-to-text/#comment-785</link>
		<dc:creator>linreigu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ken-carroll.com/2008/04/08/are-podcasts-inferior-to-text/#comment-785</guid>
		<description>Ken, you're right and that Lisa person is wrong.  It's obvious.  I live in Taiwan, try to learn Chinese, with a personal tutor and a very good text book.  Still your podcast adds a lot to my learning.  You're fun and friendly and intelligent and right there in my ear when I'm taking the bus to the university in the morning.  I constantly find myself using your phrases during the course of the day.

Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, you&#8217;re right and that Lisa person is wrong.  It&#8217;s obvious.  I live in Taiwan, try to learn Chinese, with a personal tutor and a very good text book.  Still your podcast adds a lot to my learning.  You&#8217;re fun and friendly and intelligent and right there in my ear when I&#8217;m taking the bus to the university in the morning.  I constantly find myself using your phrases during the course of the day.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: AuntySue</title>
		<link>http://ken-carroll.com/2008/04/08/are-podcasts-inferior-to-text/#comment-783</link>
		<dc:creator>AuntySue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ken-carroll.com/2008/04/08/are-podcasts-inferior-to-text/#comment-783</guid>
		<description>Lisa's article is one of the most successful transparent trolls that I've seen for ages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa&#8217;s article is one of the most successful transparent trolls that I&#8217;ve seen for ages.</p>
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		<title>By: trevelyan</title>
		<link>http://ken-carroll.com/2008/04/08/are-podcasts-inferior-to-text/#comment-777</link>
		<dc:creator>trevelyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 03:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ken-carroll.com/2008/04/08/are-podcasts-inferior-to-text/#comment-777</guid>
		<description>&#62; It is true that you cannot search a podcast 
&#62; as you would a text. 

Huh?  Paper books have indexes, but these are rarely comprehensive. Indexing is done manually, which means it almost never happens with non-academic publications. 

In contrast, podcasts can be tagged with transcripts of audiovisual material. The text can be sychronized to the audio with timestamps so you know within a few seconds of when something was said.  A podcast version of War and Peace is FAR more searchable than a paper copy.  Electronic texts can be searched too, but at that point you're quibbling over formats for data storage.

To be fair to Lisa, she seems to be arguing that paper texts have an advantage when studying means rapidly scanning and memorizing stuff. This might make them better for field tests with limited domain knowledge. At which point we'll just point out that the future of education is supposed to be pushing away from such drone-like study so that people actually learn, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; It is true that you cannot search a podcast<br />
&gt; as you would a text. </p>
<p>Huh?  Paper books have indexes, but these are rarely comprehensive. Indexing is done manually, which means it almost never happens with non-academic publications. </p>
<p>In contrast, podcasts can be tagged with transcripts of audiovisual material. The text can be sychronized to the audio with timestamps so you know within a few seconds of when something was said.  A podcast version of War and Peace is FAR more searchable than a paper copy.  Electronic texts can be searched too, but at that point you&#8217;re quibbling over formats for data storage.</p>
<p>To be fair to Lisa, she seems to be arguing that paper texts have an advantage when studying means rapidly scanning and memorizing stuff. This might make them better for field tests with limited domain knowledge. At which point we&#8217;ll just point out that the future of education is supposed to be pushing away from such drone-like study so that people actually learn, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Carroll</title>
		<link>http://ken-carroll.com/2008/04/08/are-podcasts-inferior-to-text/#comment-775</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Carroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 01:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ken-carroll.com/2008/04/08/are-podcasts-inferior-to-text/#comment-775</guid>
		<description>Jason,

I agree that her point was simply that she personally prefers text. However, what she actually &lt;em&gt;said &lt;/em&gt;went considerably beyond that. 

Of course I have no personal animosity towards her and I am a keen reader of her magazine. (I fully expect to establish a friendly discussion with her.) My point is that her post came across as an off-handed dismissal of the value of podcasting in learning. I simply want to state a different perspective on that point. 

Ken Carroll</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,</p>
<p>I agree that her point was simply that she personally prefers text. However, what she actually <em>said </em>went considerably beyond that. </p>
<p>Of course I have no personal animosity towards her and I am a keen reader of her magazine. (I fully expect to establish a friendly discussion with her.) My point is that her post came across as an off-handed dismissal of the value of podcasting in learning. I simply want to state a different perspective on that point. </p>
<p>Ken Carroll</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://ken-carroll.com/2008/04/08/are-podcasts-inferior-to-text/#comment-772</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 11:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ken-carroll.com/2008/04/08/are-podcasts-inferior-to-text/#comment-772</guid>
		<description>The key is not to focus on her title as EIC of ELearn Magazine and her controversial first sentences, but to recognize that this is an informal blog post, see that she is an "Adjunct Clinical Professor at Tufts University School of Medicine," and that her last sentence pretty much sums up the point of her post: "I prefer text and am unlikely to ever make podcasts for my students."

It's obvious that she is not coming from a language-learning perspective. Assume another professor of medicine made a comment saying that they don't believe the use of audiotapes work for education. Sure, a professor of linguistics can come in and say "WHAT?!" and proceed to tear the argument apart by demonstrating it's usefulness in language learning.

Unless you can convince the other side that you can design podcast/audiotape lessons to be as effective in teaching medicine as they are in teaching languages, the best you can hope for is that they tone down their language and qualify it by saying, "I didn't mean languages!"

My experience in academia is that the teaching of languages is not seen to be as scholarly as other fields--language professors are teaching students how to speak and write, like ESL teachers teach immigrants, while the professors in other fields are teaching students to hypothesize, research, analyze, deconstruct, interpret, write, practice, etc. So, good or bad, language learning/teaching is often overlooked in the sphere of academics and education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key is not to focus on her title as EIC of ELearn Magazine and her controversial first sentences, but to recognize that this is an informal blog post, see that she is an &#8220;Adjunct Clinical Professor at Tufts University School of Medicine,&#8221; and that her last sentence pretty much sums up the point of her post: &#8220;I prefer text and am unlikely to ever make podcasts for my students.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s obvious that she is not coming from a language-learning perspective. Assume another professor of medicine made a comment saying that they don&#8217;t believe the use of audiotapes work for education. Sure, a professor of linguistics can come in and say &#8220;WHAT?!&#8221; and proceed to tear the argument apart by demonstrating it&#8217;s usefulness in language learning.</p>
<p>Unless you can convince the other side that you can design podcast/audiotape lessons to be as effective in teaching medicine as they are in teaching languages, the best you can hope for is that they tone down their language and qualify it by saying, &#8220;I didn&#8217;t mean languages!&#8221;</p>
<p>My experience in academia is that the teaching of languages is not seen to be as scholarly as other fields&#8211;language professors are teaching students how to speak and write, like ESL teachers teach immigrants, while the professors in other fields are teaching students to hypothesize, research, analyze, deconstruct, interpret, write, practice, etc. So, good or bad, language learning/teaching is often overlooked in the sphere of academics and education.</p>
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