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		<title>By: teaching vocabulary: 5 tips you can&#039;t ignore</title>
		<link>http://ken-carroll.com/2008/09/30/the-lexical-approach-revisited/#comment-15584</link>
		<dc:creator>teaching vocabulary: 5 tips you can&#039;t ignore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 05:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are insights I derived from the work of a man called Michael Lewis, whose ideas on teaching vocabulary and sheer impact on ESL and EFL will only be adequately [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chia Suan Chong</title>
		<link>http://ken-carroll.com/2008/09/30/the-lexical-approach-revisited/#comment-15203</link>
		<dc:creator>Chia Suan Chong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post! Good to remind ourselves and revisit the Lexical Approach, alongside the use of corpus data to help us understand the way collocations work.
So now for the quiz question...what are the strongest collocates of the following words:

Brazen ______
_____ amok

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post! Good to remind ourselves and revisit the Lexical Approach, alongside the use of corpus data to help us understand the way collocations work.<br />
So now for the quiz question&#8230;what are the strongest collocates of the following words:</p>
<p>Brazen ______<br />
_____ amok</p>
<p>; )</p>
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		<title>By: Don Diego</title>
		<link>http://ken-carroll.com/2008/09/30/the-lexical-approach-revisited/#comment-14248</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Diego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 04:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>indeed, I never thought of that, that is pretty big... thank you very much for bringing this aspect to my attention Ken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>indeed, I never thought of that, that is pretty big&#8230; thank you very much for bringing this aspect to my attention Ken</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Carroll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Carroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 06:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Don,

I haven&#039;t been following these studies that closely in recent times, but they&#039;re having a much bigger effect on our world than I had seen when the psot was written. Imagine Google without the lexical approach to search.
And Google also uses lexis - not grammar, not semantics - in it&#039;s translation tools. It&#039;s all done on the probabilities of collocation. Amazing stuff.

Ken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Don,</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t been following these studies that closely in recent times, but they&#8217;re having a much bigger effect on our world than I had seen when the psot was written. Imagine Google without the lexical approach to search.<br />
And Google also uses lexis &#8211; not grammar, not semantics &#8211; in it&#8217;s translation tools. It&#8217;s all done on the probabilities of collocation. Amazing stuff.</p>
<p>Ken</p>
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		<title>By: Don Diego</title>
		<link>http://ken-carroll.com/2008/09/30/the-lexical-approach-revisited/#comment-14229</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Diego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 05:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey ,that&#039;s interesting David, I came to this site with exactly the same question in mind ,word for word.... so what did you find out?

if anything this indicate that the &quot;recent research&quot; took place before 2009...

Ken I loved the article by the way, thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey ,that&#8217;s interesting David, I came to this site with exactly the same question in mind ,word for word&#8230;. so what did you find out?</p>
<p>if anything this indicate that the &#8220;recent research&#8221; took place before 2009&#8230;</p>
<p>Ken I loved the article by the way, thanks</p>
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		<title>By: clarohme</title>
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		<dc:creator>clarohme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 04:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Especially in one-to-one conversations, I see how they actually use language, and discover many practices like the continua gostando / continua a gostar situation Orlando mentions. (It took me two weeks to realize that no one used demeurer to say, “I live in Paris” — it would be more like “I reside.&quot;
Can about it more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Especially in one-to-one conversations, I see how they actually use language, and discover many practices like the continua gostando / continua a gostar situation Orlando mentions. (It took me two weeks to realize that no one used demeurer to say, “I live in Paris” — it would be more like “I reside.&#8221;<br />
Can about it more?</p>
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		<title>By: DAVID</title>
		<link>http://ken-carroll.com/2008/09/30/the-lexical-approach-revisited/#comment-13788</link>
		<dc:creator>DAVID</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 12:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a great deal of research has recently taken place in the USA and Great Britain regarding &quot;language Corpora&quot; which has led to the resurgent interest in the lexical approach. what do you believe are the three biggest developments in this area?

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a great deal of research has recently taken place in the USA and Great Britain regarding &#8220;language Corpora&#8221; which has led to the resurgent interest in the lexical approach. what do you believe are the three biggest developments in this area?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Carroll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Carroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 04:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
Peter,

I&#039;m generally less concered about literary sensibilities than with learner needs. Orwell&#039;s essay was not written for the ESL learner.  

I&#039;m glad that you  find creative ways to spend classroom time, which is to say that you are doing your job. Again, however, creativity is one thing, while the issue of what our students need to learn is another. In my experience, most Chinese learners simply want to learn to communicate in English through email and conversation. They also want to sound like something that approximates native speech. All of this requires learning high frequency language and using it where appropriate. If they do not learn to identify these patterns they will indeed produce uniquely creative syntax. You won&#039;t have to teach that. 

Ken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m generally less concered about literary sensibilities than with learner needs. Orwell&#8217;s essay was not written for the ESL learner.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that you  find creative ways to spend classroom time, which is to say that you are doing your job. Again, however, creativity is one thing, while the issue of what our students need to learn is another. In my experience, most Chinese learners simply want to learn to communicate in English through email and conversation. They also want to sound like something that approximates native speech. All of this requires learning high frequency language and using it where appropriate. If they do not learn to identify these patterns they will indeed produce uniquely creative syntax. You won&#8217;t have to teach that. </p>
<p>Ken</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Easton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Easton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The drawback with the lexical approach is that it’s cliché-forming. Remember Orwell’s rule:

&#039;Never use a metaphor, simile or other figure of speech which you are used to seeing in print.&#039;

This holds for turgid discourse markers and other unimaginative phrases. Corpora are too formulaic and encourage poor style and lazy thinking. Language is far more flexible than a few thousand standard pairings thrown out of a corpus. I can think of more creative things to do with my classroom time than teaching hackneyed collocations - which learners can acquire passively through general exposure to the language outside of the classroom. The ‘real world’ is the best place to learn vocab, not the classroom. The classroom is really the place to develop and polish what vocab and grammar they already have. 

You have to everything in chunks, in other words, with some syntax even if it’s just an article tagged on to a word but teachers and students should lean towards making their own chunks where possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The drawback with the lexical approach is that it’s cliché-forming. Remember Orwell’s rule:</p>
<p>&#8216;Never use a metaphor, simile or other figure of speech which you are used to seeing in print.&#8217;</p>
<p>This holds for turgid discourse markers and other unimaginative phrases. Corpora are too formulaic and encourage poor style and lazy thinking. Language is far more flexible than a few thousand standard pairings thrown out of a corpus. I can think of more creative things to do with my classroom time than teaching hackneyed collocations &#8211; which learners can acquire passively through general exposure to the language outside of the classroom. The ‘real world’ is the best place to learn vocab, not the classroom. The classroom is really the place to develop and polish what vocab and grammar they already have. </p>
<p>You have to everything in chunks, in other words, with some syntax even if it’s just an article tagged on to a word but teachers and students should lean towards making their own chunks where possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Hanyu Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hanyu Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 17:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Michael&#039;s questions.

I am not an educator, just a weak and slow learner. I spent my first 1.5 years of Chinese language study relying almost exclusively on Chinesepod, so was immersed in the lexical approach.  I think it mostly is very good.  From my perspective, the weakness with Chinesepod&#039;s specific tack is that doesn&#039;t systematically expand and reinforce the use of lexical chunks across lessons, since each lesson is an independent module, with no expected sequence or explicit layering between them.  

The very most common lexical constructs and patterns that occur in the language are adequately reinforced by Chinesepod, since they naturally occur across a broad swath of different lessons.  For example, you can&#039;t help but run into “zen3 me2 yang4” (= “what about”) multiple times.  But, it is mostly random hit and miss as to whether any but the most common chunks will ever be reinforced enough to develop into a lasting component of the students vocabulary.  

For example, I may come across &quot;seriously ill&quot; in an individual lesson, but will I ever see it again?  Will I ever come across related chunks like &quot;serious accident&quot; or &quot;serious accusation&quot; in a future module?  Who knows.  If not, the value of time spent learning this chunk will mostly be lost.  It will rapidly disappear from memory.

During the podcast for a dialogue which includes the chunk &quot;seriously ill&quot;, the hosts may talk about related variants, like &quot;serious accident&quot; and &quot;serious accusation&quot;.  This is good, but since it isn&#039;t part of the actual lesson dialogue, it is unlikely that I will retain this  information.  Only material included in the lesson dialogue receives enough of my focus and repetition to have the potential for setting in.  

A very good feature that Chinesepod has added sometime in the last year or so is the ability to search for the use of a specific word in other lessons.  This is a help.  A student might be able to use this to design their own lesson sequence that re-enforces sets of lexical chunks.  I hope to eventually return to Chinesepod and try this someday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Michael&#8217;s questions.</p>
<p>I am not an educator, just a weak and slow learner. I spent my first 1.5 years of Chinese language study relying almost exclusively on Chinesepod, so was immersed in the lexical approach.  I think it mostly is very good.  From my perspective, the weakness with Chinesepod&#8217;s specific tack is that doesn&#8217;t systematically expand and reinforce the use of lexical chunks across lessons, since each lesson is an independent module, with no expected sequence or explicit layering between them.  </p>
<p>The very most common lexical constructs and patterns that occur in the language are adequately reinforced by Chinesepod, since they naturally occur across a broad swath of different lessons.  For example, you can&#8217;t help but run into “zen3 me2 yang4” (= “what about”) multiple times.  But, it is mostly random hit and miss as to whether any but the most common chunks will ever be reinforced enough to develop into a lasting component of the students vocabulary.  </p>
<p>For example, I may come across &#8220;seriously ill&#8221; in an individual lesson, but will I ever see it again?  Will I ever come across related chunks like &#8220;serious accident&#8221; or &#8220;serious accusation&#8221; in a future module?  Who knows.  If not, the value of time spent learning this chunk will mostly be lost.  It will rapidly disappear from memory.</p>
<p>During the podcast for a dialogue which includes the chunk &#8220;seriously ill&#8221;, the hosts may talk about related variants, like &#8220;serious accident&#8221; and &#8220;serious accusation&#8221;.  This is good, but since it isn&#8217;t part of the actual lesson dialogue, it is unlikely that I will retain this  information.  Only material included in the lesson dialogue receives enough of my focus and repetition to have the potential for setting in.  </p>
<p>A very good feature that Chinesepod has added sometime in the last year or so is the ability to search for the use of a specific word in other lessons.  This is a help.  A student might be able to use this to design their own lesson sequence that re-enforces sets of lexical chunks.  I hope to eventually return to Chinesepod and try this someday.</p>
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